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Nephite Dissenters- Judah/Mulek?

The Land of Joseph

First let us discuss the lands of inheritance of the Tribes of Israel. Of course Jacob/Israel was promised to have his Sons inherit a land of Promise. The 10 tribes of Israel received the land in Canaan or the Old World. Levi, and Joseph did not receive a land in the Old World. Levi didn’t get any land as his tribe was to perform in the temple for all tribes. Josephs two sons Ephraim and Manasseh received land in the Old World but Joseph’s land was in North America.

The phrase “Joseph did not receive a portion” in Joshua 14:4 is important: Joseph’s inheritance was already distributed to his sons. The verse pairs Joseph’s case with Levi’s, both being exceptions to the normal pattern—one for priestly service, one for princely leadership

“Certain lands were given to Israel for an inheritance in time and in eternity. America is the land of Joseph; it was the home of Nephite Israel, who were of Joseph, for a thousand years, and it is the headquarters of the Church in this final dispensation in which the church and kingdom of God are in the lands of Ephraim.” 1985 – Elder Bruce R. McConkie

The land of Joseph of Egypt was indeed the United States of America. The house of Israel and specifically Juday and Joseph were an important people in the Old World. Both Joseph (Lehi) and Judah (Mulek) would once again come together in the New World (USA) as brothers to begin again to restore the Children of Israel to this Promised Land.

At the Hill Cumorah in New York was the link reuniting of the full tribe of Joseph with Moroni who was of Lehi or Joseph/Manasseh, and Joseph Smith who was of Joseph/Ephraim. So, the full tribe of Joseph was seemingly restored in New York. Jesus Christ of course was of the Tribe of Judah. When Christ and God appeared to Joseph Smith we saw another restoration of Judah and Joseph.

“It was not by chance that the Puritans left their native land and sailed away to the shores of New England, and others later followed. They were the advance guard of the army of the Lord, predestined to establish the God-given system of government under which we live and to make America, which is the land of Joseph, the gathering place of Ephraim, an asylum for the oppressed of all nations, and prepare the way for the restoration of the gospel of Christ and the establishment of his church upon the earth” – Heber J. Grant, Conference Report, [April 1930].

The Book of Mormon reveals that the inheritance of Joseph, son of Israel, was not forgotten when land was distributed to the tribes of Israel, as promised in the Abrahamic covenant. Joseph’s inheritance was to be a land choice above all others. It was choice not because of beauty or wealth of natural resources, but choice because it was chosen to be the repository of sacred writings on golden plates from which the Book of Mormon would one day come. It was choice because it would eventually host the world headquarters of the restored Church of Jesus Christ in the latter days. And it was choice because it is a land of liberty for those who worship the Lord and keep His commandments.President Russell M. Nelson President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles June 23, 2016. Seminar for New Mission Presidents

“Oliver Cowdery wrote that the Ephraimites and the Lamanites were the “original settlers of this continent,” and that “an ancient prophet caused the plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated to be buried nearly two thousand years ago, in which is now called Ontario County, New York.

In this same issue, W. W. Phelps wrote that it was “by that book [the Book of Mormon] I learned that the poor Indians of America were of the remnants of Israel.” Many other times editor Phelps identified the land of America as being the place where at least some Book of Mormon history took place, including the last battles of both the Jaredites and the Nephites (see Messenger and Advocate, vol. 2, October 1835, and the letter of W. W. Phelps to Oliver Cowdery in that same issue.) Oliver Cowdery Latter Day Saints’ Messenger and Advocate, July 1835, pp. 158-159

And, as has been stated during this Conference, he brought forth the Book of Mormon-the stick of Joseph in the hands of Ephraim-in fulfillment of the testimony of Isaiah, translating that record through the Urim and Thummim, thereby revealing to us the history of the early inhabitants of this Continent. (1889, October, 6th Session, President Wilford Woodruff)

Elder Nelson asked, “Are you Hebrew? Yes, as scriptures define the term. You are related to Abraham, who was the great “Eber” from which the term Hebrew was derived (see Genesis 10:21, 14:13; see also 2 Corinthians 11:22).

Are you Jewish? That precious lineage may be claimed if your ancestors are from the loins of Judah. But most of us are of the lineage of Joseph through Ephraim or Manasseh. That was the lineage selected to pioneer the gathering of Israel, the seed to lead throughout the world in blessing all the nations of the earth.” Thanks for the Covenant RUSSELL M. NELSON of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles November 22, 1988

Gadiantons/Dissenters

One of the principle dissenters were the Gadianton robbers. Their lineage is unspecified, but the robbers included many dissenters and were often more wicked than original Lamanites. See Helaman 6:18. You will see as you read this blog, that I show a lot of information that indicates dissenters are likely from the tribes of Judah or Levi and not from the tribe of Joseph, as Lehi and Nephi are.

“Now these dissenters, having the same instruction and the same information of the Nephites, yea, having been instructed in the same knowledge of the Lord, nevertheless, it is strange to relate, not long after their dissensions they became more hardened and impenitent, and more wild, wicked and ferocious than the Lamanites.” Alma 47:36

“And it came to pass that the Lamanites (Manassehite) did hunt the band of robbers of Gadianton;(Possibly Judahites) and they did preach the word of God among the more wicked part of them, insomuch that this band of robbers was utterly destroyed from among the Lamanites.Helaman 6:37 

Does utterly destroyed mean absolutely no Gadiantons were left, or did some of them remain? Some of them were likely left outside of the Lamanite bands and remained and continued to fight against the Church or the Nephites. Gadiantons are part of the Book of Mormon timeline from approximately from 51-23 BC to 245 AD or longer.

Difference between a Lehite (Joseph) and a Mulekite (Judah/Levi)

Lehi for sure and likely Sariah were descendants of Manasseh through Joseph. See, 1 Ne. 5:14 (2 Ne. 3:4Alma 10:3). Nephi, Laman, and all the sons of Lehi were likely pure Manasseh through his father Joseph. Lehi’s sons along with Zoram (Likely Judah or Levi), each married daughters of Ishmael who are from the tribe of Ephraim. See quote below and in the following link learn about the questions, Was Zoram a Cohen? https://bookofmormonevidence.org/was-zoram-a-cohen/

Lehi’s family listening as he teaches

“Elder Erastus Snow (1818–88) of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles discussed the importance of Ishmael’s lineage: “Whoever has read the Book of Mormon carefully will have learned that the remnants of the house of Joseph dwelt upon the American continent; and that Lehi learned by searching the records of his fathers that were written upon the plates of brass, that he was of the lineage of Manasseh. The Prophet Joseph informed us that the record of Lehi was contained on the 116 pages that were first translated and subsequently stolen, and of which an abridgment is given us in the first Book of Nephi, which is the record of Nephi individually, he himself being of the lineage of Manasseh; but that Ishmael was of the lineage of Ephraim, and that his sons married into Lehi’s family, and Lehi’s sons married Ishmael’s daughters, thus fulfilling the words of Jacob upon Ephraim and Manasseh in the 48th chapter of Genesis, which says: ‘And let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the land.’ Thus these descendants of Manasseh and Ephraim grew together upon this American continent” (in Daniel H. Ludlow, A Companion to Your Study of the Book of Mormon [1976], 199).

Remember also that Zoram married one of the daughters of Ismael as well. His children could have been a mixture of Judah and Ephraim.

“The Lamanite is a chosen child of God, but he is not the only chosen one. There are many other good people including the Anglos, the French, the German, and the English, who are also of Ephraim and Manasseh. They, with the Lamanites, are also chosen people, and they are a remnant of Jacob. The Lamanite is not wholly and exclusively the remnant of Jacob which the Book of Mormon talks about. We are all of Israel! We are of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and Joseph through Ephraim and Manasseh. We are all of us remnants of Jacob.” (The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1982, pp. 600–601.)

Who is Mulek?

Mulek was the son of the Last King (Zedekiah) of the Southern Kingdom. (Judah) Mulek’s mother was seeking to escape Zedekiah in Jerusalem to save her life. She traveled with her son in womb or took Mulek as a young person to escape. The last Christian Mulekite, was likely Ammon the first.

Lehi was seeking for a promised Land to serve Christ. He was a pure descendant of Manasseh. Lamanites (Manasseh) were seeking truth through Christ and eventually (200 AD) over-took the Nephites in righteousness.

Land of Mulek

Helaman 6:10. “Now the land south was called Lehi, and the land north was called Mulek, which was after the son of Zedekiah; for the Lord did bring Mulek into the land north, and Lehi into the land south.”

This quote from Helaman means to me that Lehi landed near Florida (south in America) and Mulek landed near Nauvoo, Illinois. (north in America). According to Omni 1:16, “And they (Mulekites) journeyed in the wilderness, and were brought by the hand of the Lord across the great waters, (Atlantic) into the land where Mosiah discovered them; (Iowa) and they had dwelt there from that time forth.”

The map below shows my interpretation of this. I believe the Mulekites came to the Mississippi River and sailed up to Iowa/Illinois and settled there, as Joseph Smith received a revelation saying in D&C 125:3. “Let them (Mulekites) build up a city unto my name upon the land opposite the city of Nauvoo, and let the name of Zarahemla be named upon it.”

Grok AI Question: What date did the people of Zarahemla meet the Nephites

In the Book of Mormon, the people of Zarahemla (also known as the Mulekites, descendants of Mulek who fled Jerusalem around 587 B.C.) met the Nephites (led by King Mosiah I) during the events described in Omni 1:12–14. This occurred when Mosiah I, warned by the Lord, fled the land of Nephi with a group of righteous Nephites and “discovered” (or came upon) the land and people of Zarahemla, “who had dwelt there from that time forth.”

The exact year is not stated in the text itself, as the small plates (including Omni) do not use a precise calendar system for this period. However, official Church resources and standard Book of Mormon chronologies place this meeting around 225 B.C. (or approximately 200–279 B.C. in some estimates).

Key details from the scriptures and timelines:

  • Omni 1:12–14 — Mosiah 1 flees the land of Nephi (Chattanooga, TN) northward, and discovers the people of Zarahemla, and there is great rejoicing. Mosiah 1 teaches them the Nephite language (they had lost much of their original language due to no records), and he becomes their king. The combined group continues to call themselves Nephites.
  • The Church’s official “Book of Mormon Time Line” (published in the Ensign, October 2011) dates this event to about 225 B.C., noting that Mosiah 1 led righteous Nephites to Zarahemla (Montrose, Iowa) and merged with the Mulekites.
  • Other scholarly and timeline sources (e.g., BYU studies, Scripture Central, and various chronologies) generally align with a range of roughly 279–130 B.C., but ~225 B.C. or ~200 B.C. is the most commonly cited approximate date.
  • This reunion happens after the Mulekites had already encountered the last Jaredite, Coriantumr (Omni 1:20–21), whose stone record Mosiah later translates using his gift from God.

This event marks a major unification: The Mulekites (larger in number but without scriptures or strong religious records) join with the Nephites (who brought the brass plates and other records), forming the core Nephite society that continues through much of the rest of the Book of Mormon.

Grok AI Question: Was king Zedekiah in the Bible for God or against him?

In the Bible, King Zedekiah (the last king of Judah before the Babylonian exile) was against God. He is consistently described as doing evil in the sight of the Lord, rebelling against God’s commands, and failing to repent or submit despite repeated warnings from the prophet Jeremiah.

Key biblical details:

  • 2 Kings 24:18–20 — “Zedekiah was twenty and one years old when he began to reign… And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, according to all that Jehoiakim had done. For through the anger of the LORD it came to pass in Jerusalem and Judah, until he had cast them out from his presence.”
  • 2 Chronicles 36:11–13Zedekiah “did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD his God, and humbled not himself before Jeremiah the prophet speaking from the mouth of the LORD… but he stiffened his neck, and hardened his heart from turning unto the LORD God of Israel.”
  • Jeremiah 52:2–3 (paralleling 2 Kings) — “And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, according to all that Jehoiakim had done. For through the anger of the LORD it came to pass in Jerusalem and Judah, till he had cast them out from his presence.”
  • Zedekiah heard God’s messages through Jeremiah multiple times, including instructions to submit to Babylon as God’s instrument of judgment (Jeremiah 27, 34, 37–38). He occasionally showed partial respect (e.g., protecting Jeremiah from death), but he ultimately ignored the counsel, rebelled against Nebuchadnezzar (breaking an oath made in God’s name), and continued in idolatry and unfaithfulness.
  • His reign ended tragically: Jerusalem fell in 586 B.C., his sons were killed before him, his eyes were put out, and he was taken captive to Babylon (2 Kings 25:1–7; Jeremiah 39:1–7; 52:4–11). This fulfilled God’s judgment on Judah’s persistent wickedness.

Some interpretations note Zedekiah was weak and fearful rather than aggressively evil (e.g., he feared his princes more than God; Jeremiah 38:5), and one view suggests he may have had moments of hesitation or partial obedience. However, the biblical text is clear: he was not righteous or “for God” in his overall actions—he led the nation in rebellion and contributed to its downfall.

This portrayal contrasts somewhat with the Book of Mormon, where Zedekiah is referenced mainly in historical context (e.g., as the king during Lehi’s time in Jerusalem, with Mulek as a surviving son who escaped; Helaman 8:21), but the Bible focuses on his spiritual failure and the consequences for Judah.

Grok Question: Feb 17, 2026 Who are the Nephite dissenters and each of their lineages

Overview of Nephite Dissenters

Huge likely Conclusion. All Dissenters were from Judah/Mulek

Gadiantons like Khazar’s today. Never accepted Christ. Khazars are Asians who pretend to be from the tribe of Shem and Judah.

In the Book of Mormon, “Nephite dissenters” generally refer to individuals or groups who originated from Nephite society (which included descendants of Nephi, other Lehite families, and the Mulekites who merged with them) but rejected Nephite religious, political, or social authority. These dissenters often joined the Lamanites, formed rival factions, or adopted apostate beliefs, contributing to wars and internal strife. The term “dissenters” is used broadly in the text (e.g., Alma 43:13; Helaman 11:24), and over time, they were absorbed into Lamanite identity (4 Nephi 1:38).

Nephite society was diverse in lineage:

  • Lehites/Nephites proper: Descendants of Lehi (from the tribe of Manasseh; Alma 10:3) and his sons Nephi, Sam, Jacob, and Joseph.
  • Ishmaelites: Descendants of Ishmael (likely from Ephraim, based on traditional interpretations).
  • Zoramites: Descendants of Zoram (servant of Laban from Jerusalem; lineage unspecified but possibly non-Israelite or from another tribe such as Judah who didn’t believe in Christ).
  • Mulekites: Descendants of Mulek (son of King Zedekiah of Judah; thus from the tribe of Judah and potentially the Davidic line).

Most dissenters came from Mulekite or Zoramite backgrounds, often resenting what they saw as Nephite (Manasseh-dominant) rule over Zarahemla. The Book of Mormon does not always specify exact tribal lineages for individuals, focusing instead on their actions and spiritual state. Below is a list of major dissenters or dissenter groups, their key actions, and known or inferred lineages based on scriptural references and scholarly analysis.

Major Nephite Dissenters and Their Lineages

I asked Grok: May 19, 2026: What year in the Book of Mormon did they first have Nephite dissenters?

Grok Replied:
The earliest explicit Nephite dissenter in the Book of Mormon record is Sherem, who appears in Jacob 7
(roughly in the range of about 544–421 B.C., likely toward the earlier part of that window, such as around 530 B.C. or so in many charts).

Context and Timing

  • The separation into Nephites and Lamanites occurred earlier (around 588–570 B.C. after Nephi’s flight; see 2 Nephi 5). Laman, Lemuel, and the sons of Ishmael initially dissented from Nephi’s leadership, but they are not typically classified as “Nephite dissenters” since they formed a separate group.
  • Sherem “came among the people of Nephi” some years after Nephi’s death and Jacob’s ministry had been underway (Jacob 7:1). This is presented as the first major internal challenge to Nephite doctrine and leadership within the Nephite group itself.

Who Was Sherem?

  • He was a learned, eloquent man with “a perfect knowledge of the language of the people” who used flattery and powerful speech (influenced by the devil) to preach against the doctrine of Christ.
  • He taught that there should be no Christ, accused Jacob of perverting the law of Moses by teaching of a future Redeemer (calling it blasphemy), and claimed no one could know of things to come. He believed in the scriptures and the law of Moses but rejected their testimony of Christ. (Like Tribes of Judah today)
  • Sherem sought out Jacob to contend with him, demanded a sign, was smitten by God’s power, confessed his error and the reality of Christ on his deathbed, and died. His influence temporarily led some away, but peace was restored after the event.

This marks the first clear case of a Nephite (or someone coming among the Nephites) dissenting from core gospel teachings like faith in the coming Messiah. Later dissenters (e.g., Nehor in Alma 1, Korihor in Alma 30, Amlici/Amlicites, Amalickiah and his followers, Zoramites, king-men, Gadianton robbers, etc.) appear during the reign of the judges (starting ~91 B.C.) and become much more common, often blending religious apostasy with political ambition and alliances with the Lamanites.


Dissenter/Group Description and Key Actions Known or Inferred Lineage
Sherem
544-530 BC
Sherem “came among the people of Nephi” some years after Nephi’s death and Jacob’s ministry had been underway (Jacob 7:1). This is presented as the first major internal challenge to Nephite doctrine and leadership within the Nephite group itself. Sherem is an anti-Christ who opposed the teachings of the prophet Jacob among the Nephites. His rebellion against the Nephites came from his desire to dispute the coming of Christ and the belief in Christ’s role as the Messiah. Similar to many Jews today.
Nehor and the Order of Nehor
91 BC
Nehor was an influential teacher who promoted priestcraft (paid ministry) and denied the need for repentance (Alma 1). His followers spread apostate doctrines, leading to violence and influencing later groups like the Amlicites. Nephite (general); some analyses suggest Mulekite ties due to emphasis on “noble” status and possible Davidic claims in related movements. No specific tribe mentioned.
Amlici and the Amlicites
90 BC
Amlici sought kingship over the Nephites and led a rebellion (Alma 2–3). His followers marked themselves and joined the Lamanites in war. Often linked to Nehor’s teachings. Nephite; claimed “noble birth” (Alma 51:8, implied), possibly Mulekite (from Judah/Davidic line) due to royal ambitions and resentment of Nephite judgeship system. Some equate Amlicites with Amalekites (Alma 21–24, 27, 43), another dissenter group.
Zoram and the Zoramites
74 BC
Zoram3 (not the original Zoram1) led a wealthy, prideful group that built the Rameumptom for elitist worship and rejected the poor (Alma 31–35). They dissented around 74 B.C., allied with Lamanites, and were known for military prowess (Alma 43:4). Descendants of Zoram (the servant from Jerusalem; 1 Nephi 4:35). Explicitly stated in Alma 54:23 by Ammoron, a Zoramite descendant. Lineage not tied to a specific Israelite tribe, but they resented being “pressed” out of Jerusalem by Nephite ancestors.
Amalickiah
71 BC
A cunning Nephite who fled after failing to overthrow the judgeship, murdered the Lamanite king, and became their ruler (Alma 46–52). He waged massive wars against the Nephites. Nephite dissenter; brother to Ammoron (below), so likely Zoramite descent (Alma 54:16–24). No explicit tribe, but tied to Zoram’s line.
Ammoron
57 BC
Brother of Amalickiah; succeeded him as Lamanite king and continued wars (Alma 52–62). He corresponded with Moroni, defending his actions. Explicitly a descendant of Zoram (Alma 54:23). Identified as a Zoramite and “bold Lamanite” after dissenting.
King-men (e.g., led by Amalickiah initially, later Pachus) 55 BC A faction of Nephites who sought to establish a monarchy, opposing the freemen and chief judge Pahoran during wartime (Alma 51, 60–62). They briefly seized Zarahemla. Nephites claiming “nobler blood” (Alma 51:8, 21), likely Mulekite (from Judah/Davidic line via Mulek/Zedekiah), resenting the end of kingship under Mosiah II.
Coriantum
51 BC
A dissenter who led a Lamanite army, captured Zarahemla, and killed chief judge Pacumeni (Helaman 1). Descendant of Zarahemla (Helaman 1:15), making him Mulekite (from Judah via Mulek, son of Zedekiah). Zarahemla was the Mulekite capital.
Kishkumen and  Gadianton Robbers
51-23 BC
Kishkumen assassinated chief judge Pahoran II; Gadianton organized a secret society for power and wealth (Helaman 1–2, 6). Their band grew into a major threat, infiltrating both Nephites and Lamanites. Nephites; Kishkumen possibly Mulekite (in Zarahemla context). Gadianton’s lineage unspecified, but the robbers included many dissenters and were often more wicked than original Lamanites (Helaman 6:18). No explicit tribe known.
Other General Dissenters
36-60  AD
Gadiantons 245 AD 
Various unnamed groups left Nephite lands to join Lamanites due to political, religious, or economic disputes (e.g., Words of Mormon 1:16; Alma 63:14–15; Helaman 4:1–4). Some stirred up wars (Alma 47:35). Mixed; often from Mulekite, or Zoramite lines. By the end, all dissenters were classified as Lamanites (4 Nephi 1:20, 38). The text notes they became “more hardened” than original Lamanites (Alma 47:36).

Additional Context

  • Patterns in Dissension: Dissent often stemmed from pride, desire for power, or resentment of Nephite leadership (e.g., Mulekites wanting Davidic kingship restored; Zoramites recalling ancestral grievances). Religious apostasy, like Nehor’s teachings, fueled many splits. By the time of Christ’s visit (3 Nephi), divisions blurred, but post-Christ dissensions revived old lines (4 Nephi 1:35–38).
  • Absorption into Lamanites: Dissenters typically lost their Nephite identity and became Lamanites (Alma 43:13; 47:35), contributing to Lamanite growth and military strength.
  • Survivors: Some dissenters survived the Nephite destruction (Mormon 6:15; 8:9), blending into broader populationsThis list focuses on prominent examples from the books of Alma and Helaman, where dissensions peak. For exact scriptural quotes, refer to the Book of Mormon text.

Grok Question: In the Bom Who was the father of Ammon the first, and who were all of his descendants and what years did they live.

In the Book of Mormon, there are two prominent individuals named Ammon, and the phrase “Ammon the first” (or Ammon₁ in scholarly notation) typically refers to the earlier one mentioned in the text: the strong and mighty man who led the expedition from Zarahemla to find the people of Zeniff (Mosiah 7). This is distinct from the more famous Ammon (Ammon₂), the missionary son of King Mosiah₂ who defended King Lamoni’s flocks and converted many Lamanites (Alma 17–26).

The question likely refers to Ammon the first (the explorer from Zarahemla), as it specifies “the first.” Here’s a breakdown based on the scriptural record:

Father of Ammon the First

  • Ammon the first was a descendant of Zarahemla (Mosiah 7:3, 10–13), the leader/ruler of the people of Zarahemla (Mulekites) when Mosiah₁ discovered them around 225 B.C. (Omni 1:12–19).
  • The Book of Mormon does not name his specific father. It only states he was “a descendant of Zarahemla” (Mosiah 7:3), implying Zarahemla was an ancestor (possibly grandfather or great-grandfather, given the timeline). Zarahemla himself was a descendant of Mulek, son of King Zedekiah of Judah (Helaman 6:10; 8:21), making Ammon the first part of the Mulekite lineage blended into Nephite society.
  • No direct father is identified in the text—his introduction focuses on his leadership role and heritage from Zarahemla.

Descendants of Ammon the First

  • The Book of Mormon provides no information about any descendants of this Ammon. He is not mentioned again after helping free King Limhi’s people and bringing them back to Zarahemla around 120 B.C. (Mosiah 7–8, 21–22).
  • He plays a key role in reuniting the lost colony of Zeniff (Whose people are Nephites through Joseph and wicked King Noah who was a Nephite also), with the main Nephite body and facilitating the discovery/translation of the 24 gold plates containing the Jaredite record (Mosiah 8:9; 28:11–19), but the narrative does not track his family line further.
  • Unlike the sons of Mosiah (Ammon2, Aaron, Omner, and Himni), who have no recorded children in the text, Ammon1 is a descendant of Mulek.

Years They Lived (Approximate Timeline)

Exact birth and death dates are not given in the Book of Mormon, as it uses a regnal/reign-based chronology rather than precise years for most individuals. Standard scholarly and official Church timelines (e.g., from the Church’s “Book of Mormon Time Line” and BYU/FARMS charting) provide these estimates:

  • Active period: Primarily around 121–120 B.C.
    • ~121 B.C.: King Mosiah₂ sends Ammon1 and 15 strong men on the expedition to search for Zeniff’s people (Mosiah 7:1–6). The journey takes about 40 days.
    • ~120 B.C.: Ammon1 discovers King Limhi’s people in bondage, helps orchestrate their escape from Lamanite captivity, and leads them back to Zarahemla (Mosiah 7–8, 21–22).
  • Likely lifespan: Born sometime before ~140 B.C. (to be a mature leader by 121 B.C.), and presumably lived at least into the early 100s B.C., though no death is recorded.
  • Context: This places him one generation before the famous missionary Ammon2 (son of Mosiah₂, active ~91–77 B.C. during the mission to the Lamanites).Mosiah translates the large stone Coriantumr brought, using the spectacles attached to a breastplate, not a stone in a hat. Art by Minerva Teichert.

Grok AI Question: In the BofM what is the lineage of Coriantumr before his reign

In the Book of Mormon, Coriantumr (the last Jaredite king) is part of the royal lineage descending from Jared, the founder of the Jaredite people who left the Tower of Babel. His specific ancestry before becoming king is detailed through the Jaredite king list and genealogy in the Book of Ether, though the text focuses more on the prophetic line of Ether (Coriantumr’s contemporary) than on tracing every step directly to Coriantumr.

The primary genealogy in Ether 1:6–32 traces Ether’s line backward from Ether to Jared in reverse order (son to father). Coriantumr is not in Ether’s direct father-to-son line—he branches off earlier in the royal succession—but he is a descendant of the same founding family through the kingship line.

Key points on Coriantumr’s lineage before his reign:

  • He was a descendant of Omer (a righteous king earlier in the Jaredite history; Ether 1:30, 9:14–15). Omer was the son of Shule, and the line continues upward through many generations to Jared.
  • From Ether 1 (the genealogy list) and the narrative in Ether 7–11 (which parallels the genealogy with kingly reigns), the broader Jaredite royal/prophetic descent includes:
    • Jared (founder) → Kib → Shule → Omer → Emer → Coriantum → Com → Heth → Shez → Riplakish → Morianton → Kim → Lib → Hearthom → Heth → Aaron → Amnigaddah → Coriantum → Com → Shiblom → Seth → Ahah (or variations in branching) → and eventually to figures like Kish, then to the line leading toward Coriantumr in the final generations.
  • Coriantumr’s immediate predecessors in the kingship (before his own reign) are not named as his direct father in the text. Instead, the narrative in Ether 13–15 describes him rising to power amid widespread wickedness, wars, and usurpations in the late Jaredite period. He overthrew or succeeded prior rulers through conflict (Ether 13:1–2 notes the people were “without civilization” and kings rose and fell rapidly due to secret combinations and bloodshed).
  • Ether (the prophet) was a contemporary of Coriantumr (Ether 12:1–2: “the days of Ether were in the days of Coriantumr; and Coriantumr was king over all the land”). Ether was from a captive royal line (descendant of Coriantor, whose father Moron was deposed; Ether 11:14–23), while Coriantumr held the active throne during the final wars.

In summary:

  • Coriantumr’s lineage traces back through the Jaredite kings to Omer (a key righteous ancestor) and ultimately to Jared. (Jared’s likey ancestors Shemites which is where the lineage of Israel, Judah and David and Christ comne from) (Ether 1:30–32 mentions connections in the chain).
  • The Book of Ether does not provide a father-to-son list specifically for Coriantumr’s branch (unlike Ether’s prophetic line), as the focus is on the overall Jaredite decline, secret combinations, and the fulfillment of prophecies rather than a complete personal genealogy for the final king.

    Mosiah translates Coriantumr’s stone using the two stones attached to a breastplate, not a stone in a hat. By Minerva Teichert
  • Omni 1:20–22 notes that a stone record found with Coriantumr (after the final battle) gave “a few words concerning his fathers,” confirming his ancestry went back to the Tower of Babel era, but no detailed names beyond the general Jaredite origin are added there. (The Brother of Jared likely brought some people from Ham, Shem and Japheth who were all sons of Noah)

This places Coriantumr as a late descendant in the long Jaredite royal line, reigning in the final chaotic period (estimated ~300–200 B.C. or earlier in some chronologies) when the civilization collapsed due to wickedness.

Ether descends from Jared (not from the brother of Jared), which establishes his place in the founding lineage of the Jaredites. 

Grok AI Question: In the BofM what is the lineage of Ether before him

In the Book of Mormon, the lineage of Ether (the last Jaredite prophet and recorder of the 24 gold plates) is explicitly detailed in reverse order—from Ether back to Jared—in Ether 1:6–32. This genealogy is provided by Moroni as he abridges Ether’s record, and it traces Ether’s direct paternal ancestors through 29 generations (including Ether himself) to Jared, the brother of the “brother of Jared” and founder of the Jaredite people.

The text presents it as a father-to-son chain (with occasional use of “descendant” for brevity), emphasizing Ether’s royal/prophetic heritage in the Jaredite line. Ether’s immediate father is Coriantor (Ether 1:6; also Ether 11:23 states Coriantor “begat Ether,” confirming direct father-son relationship despite the “descendant” phrasing in the genealogy list).

Ether’s Direct Lineage (from Ether backward, as listed in Ether 1:6–32)

Here is the full chain as given in the scripture:

  • Ether (the prophet who wrote the record)
  • son of Coriantor
  • son of Moron
  • son of Ethem
  • son of Ahah
  • son of Seth
  • son of Shiblon (or Shiblom in some references)
  • son of Com
  • son of Coriantum
  • son of Amnigaddah
  • son of Aaron
  • descendant of Heth
  • son of Hearthom
  • son of Lib
  • son of Kish
  • son of Corom
  • son of Levi
  • son of Kim
  • son of Morianton
  • son of Riplakish
  • son of Shez
  • son of Heth
  • son of Com
  • son of Coriantumr (an earlier one)
  • son of Emer
  • son of Omer
  • son of Shule
  • son of Kib
  • son of Orihah
  • son of Jared

The genealogy ends with Jared (Ether 1:32–33), noting that Jared “came forth with his brother [the brother of Jared] and their families… from the great tower, at the time the Lord confounded the language of the people.” Ether descends from Jared (not from the brother of Jared), which establishes his place in the founding lineage of the Jaredites.

Additional Context

  • This list serves as a structural outline for much of the Book of Ether: The narrative in chapters 6–11 largely follows the kings and events in reverse order from this genealogy, detailing reigns, wars, righteousness, and wickedness among these ancestors.
  • Many in this line were kings (e.g., Moron was a king deposed; Ether 11:14–15), showing Ether came from a royal lineage, though he himself was a prophet during the final destruction rather than a reigning king.
  • The brother of Jared (Mahonri Moriancumer in later tradition) is not in Ether’s direct line—he was Jared’s brother—but he led the group spiritually and received great revelations (Ether 1:34–43; Ether 2–3).
  • No further details (e.g., mothers, siblings, or branches) are given for Ether’s immediate family beyond his father Coriantor.

This genealogy underscores themes of covenant-keeping, the consequences of apostasy, and the preservation of records among the Jaredites, much like biblical genealogies (e.g., in Genesis or Chronicles) establish authority and continuity. For the exact wording, see Ether 1 in any edition of the Book of Mormon.

Was Zoram a Cohen, or a holder of the Levitical Priesthood, which we call Aaronic Priesthood today?
https://bookofmormonevidence.org/was-zoram-a-cohen/

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