CREEPING INTO THE CHURCH… GREAT HOST OF SECTARIAN IDEAS

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This blog seeks to help members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints avoid apostacy, misunderstanding, divisiveness, evil speaking of the Lord’s anointed, division, and help members be more aware of many false and sectarian notions creeping into the Church. I don’t seek to influence Doctrine or to steady the ark in any way. I love the Doctrine and the Revelation this Gospel is built upon, for this is truly the only true Church of Jesus Christ, led by a Prophet of God. That is a firm testimony I have. The books that will help you best address many who may be having a “Faith Crisis”, as published by the Joseph Smith Foundation Here: and Here:

Do we have signs in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of a growing apostacy? Yes! Are we seeing our Historians and Intellectuals bring into our fold Sectarian ideas to weaken our faith? Yes! Do many of these Professors of Philosophy realize they are dong this? Yes! Do the common saints who love the Lord sense a deliberate put-down of their simple faith and devotion in the eyes of the great and spacious building? (Pointing fingers) Yes! Do the ideas and understanding about the following subjects vary greatly in the Church? Yes. What is happening? The First Presidency of 1942 explains then what is happening today in 2023. Is there any doubt? NO! 

I believe however, the truth will win out in the end, as the Lord will personally reign and we will have complete truth taught.

“I tell you we are beginning to follow along the course of the early Christian church. So long as that church was persecuted from without, it prospered, but when it began to be polluted from within, the church began to wither. There is creeping into our midst, and I warn you brethren about it, and I urge you to meet it, a great host of sectarian doctrines that have no place amongst us. The gospel in its simplicity, is to be found in the revelations, the teachings of the Prophet and the early leaders of the Church.” It was read by J. Reuben Clark.  It states, Clark, Jr., First Counselor in the First Presidency, and President David O.  McKay, Second Counselor in the First Presidency, were present at all the sessions. President McKay conducted the services at all the sessions. (In One Hundred Fifteenth Semi-annual Conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints[Conference Report, October 1944] [Salt Lake City, Utah

Sectarian Ideas

1- Mesoamerican Theory
Joseph Fielding Smith said, “…This modernistic theory [Mesoamerica] of necessity, in order to be consistent, must place the waters of Ripliancum and the Hill Cumorah some place within the restricted territory of Central America, notwithstanding the teachings of the Church to the contrary for upwards of 100 years. Because of this theory some members of the Church have become confused and greatly disturbed in their faith in the Book of Mormon. Doctrines of Salvation Joseph Fielding Smith Chapter 12

2-Translation with the Hat and the Stone
“Day after day I continued, uninterrupted, to write from his mouth, as he translated with the Urim and Thummim, or, as the Nephites would have said, ‘Interpreters,’ the history or record called ‘The Book of Mormon.’ JSH 1:75n (There are NO scriptures that say a seer stone in a hat was ever used to translate). See 16 Hard Evidences of Translation Here

“Joseph Smith received the same Urim and Thummim had by the Brother of Jared for it was the one expressly provided for the translation of the Jaredite and Nephite records. (D. & C. 10: 1; 17:1; Ether 3:22- 28.) It was separate and distinct from the one had by Abraham and the one had by the priests in Israel. The Prophet also had a seer stone which was separate and distinct from the Urim and Thummim, and which (speaking loosely) has been called by some a Urim and Thummim.” Mormon Doctrine page 576 under title Urim and Thummim and (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, pp. 222-226.)

For those concerned how this occultic “Joseph Smith” could make its way into Church publications, President Ezra Taft Benson offered this advice, “Sometimes from behind the pulpit, in our classrooms, in our Council meetings and in our church publications we hear, read or witness things that do not square with the truth. . . . Now do not let this serve as an excuse for your own wrong-doing. The Lord is letting the wheat and the tares mature before he fully purges the Church. He is also testing you to see if you will be misled. The devil is trying to deceive the very elect.” Ezra Taft Benson, “Our Immediate Responsibility” (BYU Devotional, Provo, October 25, 1996), https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/ezra-taft-benson_immediateresponsibility

Wandering over the Plains of the Nephites by Ken corbett

 

3- The Promised Land is the entire Continent of North and South America
“The whole of our journey, in the midst of so large a company of social honest and sincere men, wandering over the plains of the Nephites, recounting occasionally the history of the Book of Mormon, roving over the mounds of that once beloved people of the Lord, picking up their skulls & their bones, as a proof of its divine authenticity… During our travels we visited several of the mounds which had been thrown up by the ancient inhabitants of this country-Nephites, Lamanites, etc.”Letter from Joseph to Emma June, 4, 1834 (Event happened near Atlas, Illinois) Joseph Smith Papers Letter to Emma Smith, 4 June 1834 Page 56

“I should like to say a few words about America…. No land is without its beauty, no people without their virtues, and I hope that you who come from elsewhere will pardon my saying a few words concerning my own native land, America. I know that she has problems. We have heard so much of them for so long. But surely this is a good land, a choice land, a chosen land. To me it is a miracle, a creation of the Almighty….” New Home for Pioneer Newspaper, LDS Church News, 31 May 1997 )Gordon B. Hinckley

“The Book of Mormon reveals that Joseph, the son of Jacob who was once sold into Egypt, foresaw the Prophet Joseph Smith and his day (see 2 Ne. 3:6–21) and noted that there would be many similarities in their lives. Centuries later, the Prophet Joseph stated, “I feel like Joseph in Egypt.” (The Personal Writings of Joseph Smith, ed. Dean C. Jessee, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1984, p. 409; spelling modernized.) The Book of Mormon reveals that the inheritance of Joseph, son of Israel, was not forgotten when, as promised in the Abrahamic covenant, land was distributed to the tribes of Israel. Joseph’s inheritance was to be a land choice above all others. (See Ether 13:2, 8.) It was choice not because of beauty or wealth of natural resources, but choice because it was chosen. It was to be the repository of sacred writing on plates of gold from which the Book of Mormon would one day come, choice because it would eventually host world headquarters of the restored church of Jesus Christ in the latter days.” A TREASURED TESTAMENT By Elder Russell M. Nelson Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles JULY 1993 Adapted from an address given 25 June 1992 at a seminar for new mission presidents, Missionary Training Center, Provo, Utah.

4-The Law of Moses can be practiced in Mesoamerica?
3 Essential Truths about Nephite Observance of the Law of Moses
First Truth: Not only did the Nephites “strictly” keep the law of Moses (as indicated in 37 verses in the Book of Mormon (see Alma 30:3, Mosiah 13:29-30, Jarom 1:5), but they did so with delight as it was seen by them as both a collection of types of Christ and a means of coming unto Him. Occasionally even the Lamanites were known to “strictly” observe the law (Hel. 13:1).  Second: In “observing to keep the commandments of the Lord in all things, according to the Law of Moses” (2 Ne. 5:10), the Nephites would have necessarily observed all the feasts or “holy days” given to Moses by Jehovah. These are recorded in Exodus and Leviticus and are known as “holy convocations” or “rehearsals” and they typify the life and mission of Jesus Christ in profoundly beautiful ways. Third: It was absolutely essential for these Jewish Lehites to be brought to a land that would provide an abundance of all the plants and animals required to keep the Law of Moses, with its concomitant Holy Days or festivals. Based on the latest archeological findings, it can now be irrefutably shown that the Heartland of North America is the only location in the Western Hemisphere where all ten of the essential items were found anciently including; lambs, oxen, goats, doves, barley, wheat, grapes, and altars made of stacked, unhewn stones. These aforementioned items have not been found in the archaeological record of the pre-Columbian peoples of Mesoamerica.” Amberli Nelson MBA Hebrew/Jewish Symbology Expert

5- Zarahemla was somewhere in Mesoamerica
“Let them build up a city unto my name upon the land opposite the city of Nauvoo, and let the name of Zarahemla be named upon it.” D&C 125:3 (Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, March 1841, concerning the Saints in the territory of Iowa.)

6- The plates were buried at a “hill” in New York, but the final battles happened somewhere in Mesoamerica.
“The final struggles between Nephites and Lamanites were waged in the vicinity of the Hill Cumorah, in what is now the State of New York, resulting in the destruction of the Nephites as a nation, about 400 A.D. The last Nephite representative was Moroni, who, wandering for safety from place to place, daily expecting death from the victorious Lamanites, wrote the concluding parts of the Book of Mormon, and hid the record in Cumorah. It was the same Moroni who as a resurrected being, gave the records into the hands of Joseph Smith in the present dispensation.” James Talmage Articles of Faith, Ch 14, Pg. 260.

7- No Cave in Hill Cumorah (Vision of Mesoamerica)
Heartlanders say, “Mormon’s depository and Moroni’s stone box are in the same hill Cumorah in New York in different locations.” [One Hill Cumorah only in New York] Mesoamericanists say, “Mormon’s depository is at some hill in Mexico, and Moroni’s stone box is in New York” [Neither one was necessarily called Cumorah. See “Saints” Vol. 1 as there is no mention of the word Cumorah]

By John McNaughton


“[Joseph] went [into] a Cave in the Hill Comoro with Oliver Cowdry & deposited those plates upon a table or shelf. In that room were deposited a large amount of gold plates containing sacred records… Joseph Smith said that cave contained tons of choice treasures & records.” Wilford Woodruff Journal, 11 December 1869

“Brother Mills mentioned in his song, that crossing the Plains with hand-carts was one of the greatest events that ever transpired in this Church. I will admit that it is an important event, successfully testing another method for gathering Israel, but its importance is small in comparison with the visitation of the angel of God to the Prophet Joseph, and with the reception of the sacred records from the hand of Moroni at the hill Cumorah.

How does it compare with the vision that Joseph and others had, when they went into a cave in the hill Cumorah, and saw more records than ten men could carry? There were books piled up on tables, book upon book. Those records this people will yet have, if they accept the Book of Mormon and observe it’s precepts, and keep the commandments.” Heber C. Kimball Journal of Discourses, 4:105, September 28, 1856

8- The Urim and Thummim was never returned to Joseph after he lost them for disobedience
“During this period Joseph made a short visit to his parents in Manchester, New York, and then returned again to Pennsylvania. “Immediately after my return home,” he recounted, “I was walking out a little distance, when, behold, the former heavenly messenger appeared and handed to me the Urim and Thummim again for it had been taken from me in consequence of my having wearied the Lord in asking for the privilege of letting Martin Harris take the writings, which he lost by transgression and I inquired of the Lord through it, and obtained the following [section 3]” (Smith, History of the Church, 1:21-22).

“After the angel left me’, said he, “I continued my supp [p. 137]lications to God without cessation; and, on the 22d of September, I had the joy and satisfaction of again receiving the Urim and Thummim; and have commenced translating again, and Emma writes for me; but the angel said that the Lord would send me a scribe, and trust his promise will be verified. The angel He also seemed pleased with me, when he gave me back the Urim and Thummim; and he told me that the Lord loved me, for my faithfulness and humility.”

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/lucy-mack-smith-history-1845/142#full-transcript

9- Interpreters, Seer Stone and Peep Stone, and Stone all mean the same thing.

Joseph’s Key is certainly not a seer stone.(Lucy Mack Smith) “The Key” is the spectacles acting as a key to unlock the breastplate for a heart to head ability to reveal, “by the gift and Power of God.” In the Book of Mormon the word Seer Stones and Urim and Thummim are never mentioned. Only Interpreters.

As Elder Jeffery R. Holland said, “Truly rock-ribbed faith and uncompromised conviction comes with its most complete power when it engages our head as well as our heart… “Two manifestations, two witnesses if you will—the force of fact as well as the force of feeling.” Joseph’s Jaredite Breastplate represents, “Having on the breastplate of righteousness” Eph.6:14

Together we will call the Key with the Breastplate, “Interpreters” as Moroni first said, “I have sealed up the interpreters, according to the commandment of the Lord” (Ether 4:5).

Interpreters

5 Names of the same Instrument used to Translate the Book of Mormon

1- Interpreters (Word found in the Book of Mormon, PGP)
2- Directors (Alma 37:21, 24. In 1920 “Interpreters” was changed to “Directors” in the Book of Mormon)
3- Urim and Thummim (Word found in the D&C, PGP, and the Old Testament, 4 times in THE TESTIMONY OF THE PROPHET JOSEPH SMITH in the preface of the BofM)
4- The Key (Lucy Mack Smith)
5- Two stones in silver bows, fastened to a breastplate
6- Two stones which were fastened into the two rims of a bow (Words found similar in many places)

10 Errors in Joseph Smith Papers

JSP in Blue Jonathan in Red

“An official explanation in the Joseph Smith Papers says, ”Regarding the mode of translation, Joseph Smith himself stated only that it was done “by the gift and power of God.”

That’s a patently false statement because that’s not all Joseph said. Joseph actually wrote this:

“With the records was found a curious instrument which the ancients called ‘Urim and Thummim,’ which consisted of two transparent stones set in the rim of a bow fastened to a breastplate. Through the medium of the Urim and Thummim I translated the record by the gift, and power of God.” https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/church-history-1-march-1842/2 Jonathan Neville “A Man that can Translate

Other Sectarian Notions Creeping into the Church

Joseph shouldn’t have married a 14 year old girl
The Blacks should not have received the Priesthood
Joseph Smith made considerable mistakes that make him a fallen Prophet
Holy-Ghoster Prophets like, Joseph Fielding, Benson, McKay, etc. are too Conservative
Myth of Noah’s Flood
Satan is not real
Apostate groups, Snuffers, Mormon Stories, CES Letter and many more
Church Manuals, Saints, Joseph Smith Papers, have some purposeful wrong edits
I HAVE TO follow the Prophet’s and take the jab!
Why didn’t the Prophets catch Hoffman?
Why are the Brethren allowing liberal ideas like CRT into BYU?
Pre-Adamites
Swearing Elders Group Corruption
Dinosaurs Millions of years old?
Evolution. An Ape could become a Man
No Creationism. – Something from Nothing
The earth’s creation itself was billions of years in creation.

Yes, This is Satan’s world. We must learn to be strong in our testimony. Follow the Prophets and the Doctrine of the Church and stop trying to fill it full of theories, innuendo’s and false teaching. We love this Church and the Prophet Joseph Smith and the current Prophets and Apostle. Let’s follow them.

“Belief in prophets and apostles at the head of the Church does not mean that members blindly follow their leaders. While the prophet of God receives revelation and inspiration to guide the Church as a whole, revelation flows at every level, including to the leaders of congregations and to individual families and members. In fact, individual members are expected to seek that kind of divine guidance to help them in their own lives, in their responsibilities in the Church and even in temporal pursuits, including their occupations. Members are also expected to prayerfully seek their own “testimony” or conviction of the principles their leaders teach them.” Church Newsroom

Shaking the Faith J. Reuben Clark Jr., First Counselor in the First Presidency, 7 Oct. 1944:

Apostasy within the Church

“It is a very apparent fact that we have traveled far and wide in the past 20 years. What the future will bring I do not know. But if we drift as far afield from fundamental things in the next 20 years, what will be left of the foundation laid by the Prophet Joseph Smith? It is easy for one who observes to see how the apostasy came about in the primitive church of Christ. Are we not traveling the same road?Joseph Fielding Smith of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, 28 Dec. 1938:

Satisfying the Thought and the Philosophy and the Reasoning of Men

“Even during the time of the apostles there began to be a falling away, as is clear from the Epistles of Paul, of Peter, John, James, and Jude. People began to wander off, and that wandering was increased in the succeeding centuries, accumulating speed, it seems, as it went on. They began to gather into church teachings things to make Christianity a little more palatable to the philosophers of the time. . . . They were trying to satisfy the thought and the philosophy and the reasoning of men, in order that they might have their support and probably their praise. . . . There is a deep lesson in all of that for us today. Already there are coming in amongst us doctrines that have no part or place in the pure doctrines of the restored gospel. These heresies are creeping in insidiously. They come to us from the philosophies of the Christian scholars of the day. They make our doctrines, as they made the early Christian beliefs, more palatable to our philosophers, but so surely as they destroyed the Christian church in the early days, just so surely will they destroy us if we do not stop them where they are.” J. Reuben Clark Jr., First Counselor in the First Presidency, 7 Oct. 1945: [Salt Lake City, Utah: Published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints], pp. 165, 166;)

Christ will crush Satan’s head.

“In the early church the Saints were extremely anxious for two things: First, to be well thought of by the pagans. Their ears itched for praise. Do any of you brethren know anything about such a tendency as that?(In “Remarks at Bishop’s Meeting,” J. Reuben Clark Papers, box 151, L. Tom Perry Special Collections, Harold B. Lee Library, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah.) J. Reuben Clark Jr., First Counselor in the First Presidency, 29 Sept. 1950:

“Read your books. There is a startling parallel between the course that is coming in to us today and the course that was in the early Church, so startling that one becomes fearful.” J. Reuben Clark Jr., Second Counselor in the First Presidency, 5 April 1952: Conference Report, April 1952

Cycle of Human Folly- The Wickedness of its Members

“Religious history testifies that, with the single exception of the inhabitants of the City of Enoch, no people to whom the gospel has been given have remained faithful to their covenants for more than a few generations. Time after time the Lord has established his Church among a group who have lived his commandments for a few years and then fallen away thus bringing upon themselves his judgments. This cycle of human folly which so many prophets have noted, has repeated itself with such consistent regularity, that any group which finds itself to be the favored recipients of the gospel would do well to assume that their own apostasy is certain and the only question about it is how long it will take. . . . The fact that the Lord has found it necessary to restore his gospel so many times is in itself evidence of the regularity with which apostasy has occurred because the only thing which will cause the destruction of his Church is the wickedness of its members. . . . The prophet, Mormon, whose labors as a historian gave him an opportunity to observe the frequency of the righteousness-wickedness-punishment cycle, spoke of it as though it were a law of life which operates as a certain consequence of universal human weakness. . . . The Church is in deep trouble because seldom, if ever, has any group been as prosperous as it is today. . . . After 140 years of growth, membership numbers in the millions, persecution has largely vanished, and instead of ostracism, members are, for the most part accepted and respected. . . . To fail to consider the possibility that the members of the church are again ‘falling away’ would be to ignore one of the most thoroughly documented lessons of history.” (The Great and Abominable Church of the Devil [Published by H. Verlan Andersen, ©1972], pp. 178, 179, 180; paragraphing omitted.)H. Verlan Andersen, Future Member of the First Quorum of the Seventy, 1972:

Fast Growth and Prosperity

“In recent years I have felt, and I think I am not alone, that we were losing the ability to correct the course of the Church. You can not appreciate how deeply I feel about the importance of this present opportunity unless you know the regard, the reverence, I have for the Book of Mormon and how seriously I have taken the warnings of the prophets, particularly Alma and Helaman. Both Alma and Helaman told of the church in their day. They warned about fast growth, the desire to be accepted by the world, to be popular, and particularly they warned about prosperity. Each time those conditions existed in combination, the Church drifted off course. All of those conditions are present in the Church today. Helaman repeatedly warned, I think four times he used these words, that the fatal drift of the church could occur ‘in the space of not many years.’ In one instance it took only six years. (See Helaman 6:32, 7:6, 11:26.)” (Boyd K. Packer of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, 30 Mar. 1990: Transcript of an address given at a Regional Representatives Seminar, 30 March 1990, entitled “Let Them Govern Themselves.”)

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