Ooparts: (Out of Place Artifacts)
Summary about Ooparts
“OOPARTs are Out of Place Artifacts. They are artifacts discovered in places where they ought not to have been found…
There is an infinite variety of ways in which, since 1859, the general concept of evolution might have been demolished…
finding fossils or bones in an unexpected geological stratum would pose problems for evolutionary theory, even to the point of blowing it out of the water…
Some may question the evidence. Arguments might be presented that the evidence has been faked…
If we disregard the evidence, we must have a reason. The possibility of intentional faking of the evidence is one possible reason to disregard the OOPART evidence…
The interpretation or view that the dates for the OOPARTs are simply wrong is also considered…
This contentious group of anomalous artefacts includes anthropomorphic discoveries which have been found in geological strata formed before humans are believed to have existed…
At present, all the following artefacts are classified as ‘anomalous’ or ‘fake’. Should just one of these discoveries ever be verified by the scientific establishment, it would force a reappraisal of either the processes of geology or the theory of human development…
This fossilised hammer (right) was found embedded in a rock. It was displayed in 2000 and is verified as authentic but what exactly does it tell us.” by Joe Spears
“If a single, well verified mammal skull were to turn up in 500 million year old rocks, our whole modern theory of evolution would be utterly destroyed”: (Quote: Richard Dawkins).
OOPARTS – Out of Place Artifacts
“Richard Dawkins, Oxford: said, “…alleged human bones in the Carboniferous coal deposits. If authenticated as human, these bones would blow the theory of evolution out of the water.” 1
“If a single, well verified mammal skull were to turn up in 500 million year old rocks, our whole modern theory of evolution would be utterly destroyed. Incidentally, this is a sufficient answer to the canard, put about by creationist and their journalistic fellow travelers, that the whole theory of evolution is an ‘unfalsifiable’ tautology.” 2
Steven M. Stanley, Johns Hopkins University:
“There is an infinite variety of ways in which, since 1859, the general concept of evolution might have been demolished. Consider the fossil record—a little known resource in Darwin’s day. The unequivocal discovery of a fossil population of horses in Precambrian rocks would disprove evolution. More generally, any topsy-turvy sequence of fossils would force us to rethink our theory, yet not a single one has come to light. As Darwin recognized, a single geographic inconsistency would have nearly the same power of destruction.” 3
All the above quotations state that if certain evidence exists, evolution is in trouble. The rest of this article will present such evidence.
What are OOPARTs?
OOPARTs are Out of Place Artifacts. They are artifacts discovered in places where they ought not to have been found. The place may actually refer to a time, especially if the place is a layer of rock, or geological stratum, which is associated with a period of time.
According to the quotations above, finding fossils or bones in an unexpected geological stratum would pose problems for evolutionary theory, even to the point of blowing it out of the water. The reason bones and fossils prove problematic in this situation is that they indicate an order in the appearance of species which is not compatible with evolutionary theory. Animal species supposedly evolved from other species. If the “child” species is found to have existed before the “parent” species, then this is a problem for evolutionary theory. As such, we see the problem is not limited to bones or fossils, but the same problem would also exist if, for example, human-manufactured items were found in geological strata that correlated to a time before humans are believed to have existed. Well, the question then is, “Have such fossils, bones, artifacts, etc. actually been found?” According to some researchers, the answer is a resounding, “Yes!” Here are some examples.
A fossil footprint of a human and a dinosaur were found in Texas. X-ray analysis of the fossil has shown that there was compression of the material when the prints were made, which means the prints could not have been carved. The dinosaur footprint should be at least 100 million years old, according to conventional evolutionary theory. 4
A hammer, with wooden handle and iron head, has been found in Lower Cretaceous rock and is supposed to be about 140 million years old. The iron head is 96% iron, 2.6% chlorine, and 0.74% sulfur. (There is no carbon.) A hoax would not have this composition. Also, the purity of the metal is higher than that of iron produced today. Part of the wood in the handle has turned to coal. The end of the handle is flat as though cut with a saw. 5
A carved stone was found from coal that is probably Carboniferous, and probably 286-260 million years old according to conventional theories. Carved on the stone were faces of men and carved diamond designs. 6
An iron pot was found in a piece of coal which broke open in 1912. The coal was from the Wilburton, Oklahoma mines, which are about 312 million years old, according to the Oklahoma Geological Survey. 7
In 1844, a gold thread was found in stone that is, according to Dr. Medd of the British Geological Survey, between 320 and 360 million years old. 8
An iron nail embedded in stone was discovered in Scotland in 1844. The head of the nail was embedded which argues against the nail having been hammered into the stone. The person who discovered the nail was Sir David Brewster, a founder of the British Association for the Advancement of Science. 9
A shoe print along with trilobite fossils was found by William Meister inside a block of Cambrian shale, which should be over 505 million years old. 10 ,11
A metal vase 4.5 × 6.5 × 2.5 inches was found in strata over 600 million years old. According to Scientific American, June 5, 1852, “A Relic of a Bygone Age”,
“On the side there are six figures of a flower, or bouquet, beautifully inlaid with pure silver, and around the lower part of the vessel a vine, or wreath, also inlaid with silver.”
The pudding stone from which it came (the Roxbury conglomerate) is over 600 million years old. 12
A metalic sphere was found in a Precambrian deposit of pyrophyllite, which was supposedly formed 2.8 billion years ago. One theory about it is that it is a limonite (type of iron ore) concretion. However, the sphere is very hard—seemingly harder than limonite. Also, the shape is spherical, and there are three parallel grooves around the equator of the object. Even if it were a limonite concretion, how does one account for the parallel grooves? Its appearance is that of a man-made object. 13
Some may question the evidence. Arguments might be presented that the evidence has been faked. Cremo and Thompson deal with this in their book Forbidden Archaeology. 14 They assert that the evidence given to support the conventional views (that man evolved and was not present on Earth hundreds of millions of years ago) is equally suspect. They argue if one set of evidence is suspect, the other set is also equally suspect and for the same reasons.
What is the meaning of this evidence? What is one to do with such evidence? We have several possibilities:
- we must disregard the OOPART evidence as questionable (because of various arguments given against them)
- the OOPART evidence is real—modern man really lived tens, even hundreds, of millions of years ago
- the OOPARTs are real—but the dating is incorrect
The evidence should be rejected
If we disregard the evidence, we must have a reason. The possibility of intentional faking of the evidence is one possible reason to disregard the OOPART evidence. There may be others. Cremo and Thompson deal with this at somewhat more length in The Hidden History of the Human Race. 15 However, to be consistent, they argue, if we throw out this evidence because it is questionable, we must also throw out much evidence used to support conventional theories. To disregard the evidence of OOPARTs and to not disregard the evidence used to prove conventional theories is, according to Cremo and Thompson, applying a double standard.
Well, if we aren’t going to throw out this evidence—at least not yet—what else can we do with it? How do we interpret it?
Modern man is really ancient
Cremo comes from the vantage point of ancient Indian (non-Christian) religious documents that imply that man has lived on earth for vastly longer periods of time than science has allowed. So, one could argue that man in his modern form did exist hundreds of millions of years ago, along with dinosaurs, trilobites, and so forth.
The problem with this view is that this puts man on earth before the creatures from which man supposedly evolved. This is the problem alluded to in this ariticle’s introductory quotes, which seems to “blow evolution out of the water”.
OOPARTs are incorrectly dated
Well, one other interpretation is that, even though the OOPARTs did come from Precambrian and other ancient geological strata, the dates for the geological strata are wrong. In this interpretation, man need not have existed on earth 600 million years ago, which solves the problem of having man on earth too early; but, the trilobites and dinosaurs and other living species that have been supposed to have lived long, long ago, must also be moved forward in time, along with the geological strata. The problem with this is that, then, there is not sufficient time for these species to have evolved.
Could the dates for the geologic strata be wrong? Dating methods could be the subject of another long article, or even a book. In fact, there is a book (or two) on the subject. But, potential inaccuracies with dating methods have been pointed out in several places. 16 ,17 ,18 ,19 ,20
The OOPART Problem
You may be wondering, if such OOPART evidence exists, why haven’t I heard of it or why hasn’t it been as widely accepted as other evidence? We can see what a problem these OOPARTs are for conventional theories of evolution. This is perhaps why they have been ignored. And this ignoring need not be intentional, according to evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould, who described the unconscious bias of scientists in his book, The Mismeasure of Man. 21 In this book, Gould tells how a researcher published data which contradicted his own conclusions. Gould argues that the man would not have published the data had he been intentionally, consciously trying to delude the public. However, the man himself was deluded—he was biased and fudged the data in a way that publishing the data made known. He could have simply published part of his data—the part that would have supported his conclusion, and the part which he had unconsciously manipulated, but he also published data that could not have been manipulated as the other data. And those data did not support his conclusion. Why? Gould says he published both sets of data because he was not aware of his manipulation of the data.
“There is a plaque posted on the exhibit stating that it is not Church doctrine and the Church has no stance on the issue.” Daily Universe Paper By Rachel Keeler -July 30, 2019
So, evolutionist Gould tells us that scientists are quite capable of not only ignoring evidence, but even distorting it, without even being aware of it, because of their biases. Simply ignoring or not publishing evidence that goes against one’s biases seems less extreme than overt distortion of data. So, if one can be done while unawares, the other seems even more likely. The above gives us reason to question authoritative pronouncements from scientists, especially when we know those announcements or statements come from a bias about the issue being elaborated.
Incorrect Dating?
The interpretation or view that the dates for the OOPARTs are simply wrong is now considered. What this would imply (among other things) is that dinosaurs were present on earth fairly recently. The following evidence supports the recent existence of dinosaurs.
What appears to be a carved stegosaurus is present on a temple in ancient Cambodia. 22 In Mexico, figurines which date back to 200 AD and earlier are obviously dinosaurs. 23 Also, drawings of dinosaurs with people—even a man riding a dinosaur—are found in Peru and date back about 2,000 years. 24 These dates are old enough to put the time before the discovery of dinosaurs by modern science. However, the dates are recent enough to put the time well after dinosaurs supposedly became extinct.
These artifacts—figurines and drawings—do not indicate man lived tens or hundreds of millions of years ago, since the artifacts involved are of recent origin (at least much less than millions of years ago). They pose a real problem for the conventional dates for the appearance of dinosaurs. Recently, T. rex tissue has been found, in a condition that should not be possible, if the T. rex lived tens of millions of years ago. At least, this evidence together with the evidence presented earlier in this article is all mutually consistent. So, the view that the dates are simply wrong is supported by this evidence.
The long and the short of it is that there does exist evidence which not only does not support conventional theories of evolutionary development and time frames, but argues strongly against them.
- 1Dawkins R (2001) Sadly, an Honest Creationist, Free Inquiry, 21: 4
- 2Dawkins R (1986) The Blind Watchmaker, Norton & Co. New York, NY, 225
- 3Stanley SM (1981) The New Evolutionary Timetable, Basic Books, New York, NY, 171
- 4The Alvis Delk Track http://bible.ca/tracks/delktrack.htm Accessed 2008 Oct 29
- 5The London Artifact http://75.125.60.6/~creatio1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26
- 6Cremo MA, Thompson RL (2001) The Hidden History of the Human Race, Torchlight Publishing, Badger, CA, 114
- 7Ibid., 114-115
- 8Ibid., 106
- 9Ibid., 105
- 10Ibid., 118
- 11Ancient Footware http://www.stateoftheart.nl/phenomenon/frames/subjects/mystery/anomalies/footwear.htm Accessed 2008 Oct 29
- 12Cremo MA, Thompson RL (2001), 106-107
- 13Ibid., 120
- 14Cremo MA, Thompson RL (1998) Forbidden Archaeology, Torchlight Publishing, Badger, CA
- 15Cremo MA, Thompson RL (2001), Chapter 1
- 16Vardiman L, Snelling AA, Chaffin EF, eds. (2000) Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth, Vol. I, Institute for Creation Research, Dallas, TX
- 17Vardiman L, Snelling AA, Chaffin EF, eds. (2000) Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth, Vol. II, Institute for Creation Research, Dallas, TX
- 18Plaisted D, Evidences for a Recent Creation: Part 1 http://tasc-creationscience.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=129&Itemid=44 Accessed 2008 Oct 29
- 19Plaisted D, Evidences for a Recent Creation: Part 2 http://tasc-creationscience.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=131&Itemid=44 Accessed 2008 Oct 29
- 20Plaisted D, Evidences for a Recent Creation: Part 3 http://tasc-creationscience.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=136&Itemid=44 Accessed 2008 Oct 29
- 21Gould SJ (1996) The Mismeasure of Man, W. W. Norton & Co. New York, NY
- 22Dinosaurs in Ancient Cambodian Temple http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks-cambodia.htm Accessed 2008 Oct 29
- 23Swift D, The Dinosaur Figurines Of Acambaro, Mexico http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks-acambaro.htm Accessed 2008 Oct 29
- 24Patton DR, Dinosaur Art From Ancient Tombs In Peru http://www.bible.ca/tracks/peru-tomb-art.htm Accessed 2008 Oct 29
Below is a very interesting article from the Latter-day Millennial Star, Editor James E. Talmage. It speaks about the Tucson Lead Artifacts or “Ooparts” as with many artifacts found in North American that have a link to Jews or the Old World, many say they are a hoax and many say the are genuine. We report and you can decide. I believe that the Native American Indians of the Eastern United States are related to the Hebrews and there will be many signs found about that connection.
AMERICAN INDIAN OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL by James E. Talmage
The origin of the American Indian is a subject of perennial interest and concern to ethnologists. What was once a theory has now come to be widely accepted as a fact — that the Indian tribes are descendants of Asiatic ancestors, who in all probability were Israelites, or, in the broadest sense of the term, Jews. Believers in the Book of Mormon have no doubts in the matter, for that record sets forth with circumstantial detail the migration of colonies directly from Jerusalem to the Western Continent. As a result of recent investigations conducted under the auspices of American institutions of recognized standing, many interesting statements have been given to the Press. The following has been accorded space in several American journals, and is here reproduced with editorial caution against accepting inferences as demonstrated facts. It is to be hoped that through the official reports to appear later, more definite information will be available.
Tucson, Arizona, December 14. — The American Indian is of Semitic origin.
Roman legionnaires, centuries ago, roamed and fought on Arizona deserts!
And these Romans, in turn, were destroyed long before the coining of the “Spanish conquistadors.”
These are some of the startling theories being advanced here to-day, following the remarkable discoveries of archaeologists from Princeton, the University of Arizona, and other colleges, who have been making secret excavations for a year on the ranch of Thomas Bent, nine miles from here.
Lying six feet beneath an almost solid layer of desert limestone, the excavators have unearthed weapons bearing Roman and Jewish inscriptions. With them have been found religious symbols, crosses and batons, also inscribed in Jewish and Latin phrases, some of them singing “the praises of Israel and Rome.
Scholars here today were inclined to believe the recent finds have established the origin of the American Indian. The relics, they say, furnish indisputable evidence that the Indian is of Semitic origin.
It is claimed, moreover, that the discovery of the relics has definitely established that a race of early Mediterranean people crossed the Atlantic to America, and either subjugated or allied themselves with the natives to such an extent that a powerful province of the Roman Empire was formed and ruled over by them for several centuries.
A SUMMARY
This Church of Jesus Christ ok Latter-day Saints, claiming to be all that its name expresses or logically implies, holds that its special mission in the world is to officiate in the authority of the Holy Priesthood by proclaiming the Gospel and administering in the ordinances thereof amongst all nations, and this in preparation for the approaching advent of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Besides its missionary labor among the living, the Church, true to the commission laid upon it by divine investiture, is continuously engaged in vicarious service for the dead, administering the ordinances of salvation to the living in behalf of their departed progenitors. Largely for this purpose the Church constructs Temples and maintains therein the requisite ministry in behalf of the dead.
In the carrying out of the work committed to it, the Church is tolerant of all sects and parties, claiming for itself no fight or privilege that it would deny to individuals or other organizations. It affirms itself to be the Church of old, established anew. Its message to the world is that of peace and good will — the invitation to come and partake of the blessings incident to the new and everlasting covenant between God and His children. Its warning voice is heard in all lands and climes: “Repent ye! Repent! For the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.” — J. E. T. Latter-day Millennial Star Editor James E. Talmage March 4, 1926 page 136-137 https://archive.org/details/millennialstar8809eng/page/138
Genuine Ooparts Crucial to History or a Colossal Hoax? A Thorough Examination of The Tucson Artifacts
A Curious Find Amidst the Gravel
Charles Manier found the first Tucson Artifact sticking out of the gravel near an abandoned lime kiln beside Silverbell Road in September 1924. It was a cross and required some effort to free it from the ground. He realized it was made of two pieces stuck together, so he pried them apart and found lettering engraved on their faces. That prompted him to contact Dr. Frank H. Fowler, Latin professor at the University of Arizona, who had no trouble translating them. Several of them were discovered by Thomas Bent Sr. (friend/business partner of Manier) and some of the university faculty even participated in the excavations. The process was well documented, including photographs, and followed by the Tucson and Phoenix newspapers, and even a New York Times article. Source:
Tucson Lead Artifacts
The Tucson artifacts, sometimes called the Tucson Lead Crosses, Tucson Crosses, Silverbell Road artifacts, or Silverbell artifacts, were thirty-one lead objects that Charles E. Manier and his family found in 1924 near Picture Rocks, Arizona which were initially thought by some to be created by early Mediterranean civilizations that had crossed the Atlantic in the first century, but were later determined to be a hoax.
The find consisted of thirty-one lead objects, including crosses, swords, and religious/ceremonial paraphernalia, most of which bore Hebrew or Latin engraved inscriptions, pictures of temples, leaders’ portraits, angels, and a dinosaur (inscribed on the lead blade of a sword). One contained the phrase “Calalus, the unknown land”, which was used by believers as the name of the settlement. The objects also have Roman numerals ranging from 790 to 900 inscribed on them, which were sometimes interpreted to represent the date of their creation. The site contains no other artifacts, no pottery sherds, no broken glass, no human or animal remains, and no sign of hearths or housing. Wikipedia
Ancient DNA Links Native Americans With Europe
Michael Balter Science 25 Oct 2013: Vol. 342, Issue 6157, pp. 409-410
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/342/6157/409.full
SANTA FE—Where did the first Americans come from? Most researchers agree that Paleoamericans moved across the Bering Land Bridge from Asia sometime before 15,000 years ago, suggesting roots in East Asia. But just where the source populations arose has long been a mystery.
Now comes a surprising twist, from the complete nuclear genome of a Siberian boy who died 24,000 years ago—the oldest complete genome of a modern human sequenced to date. His DNA shows close ties to those of today’s Native Americans. Yet he apparently descended not from East Asians, but from people who had lived in Europe or western Asia. The finding suggests that about a third of the ancestry of today’s Native Americans can be traced to “western Eurasia,” with the other two-thirds coming from eastern Asia, according to a talk at a meeting* here by ancient DNA expert Eske Willerslev of the University of Copenhagen. It also implies that traces of European ancestry previously detected in modern Native Americans do not come solely from mixing with European colonists, as most scientists had assumed, but have much deeper roots.
The Mal’ta boy was related to people who later migrated across Beringia to the Americas. “I’m still processing that Native Americans are one-third European,” says geneticist Connie Mulligan of the University of Florida in Gainesville. “It’s jaw-dropping.” At the very least, says geneticist Dennis O’Rourke of the University of Utah in Salt Lake City, “this is going to stimulate a lot of discussion.”
As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I don’t believe there was a migration from the Bering Land Bridge. I believe the migration was by the ocean voyages of the Jaredites, Mulekites and Lehites.
See Annotated Book of Mormon Page 544 about information below
“Among the class of writers aforesaid is Mr. James Adair, who resided forty years among the American tribes, and who wrote a book on the subject, which was published about the year 1775, in which he, without hesitation, declares that the American aborigines are descendants from the Israelites, and so complete is his conviction on this head, that he declares he finds a perfect and undisputable similitude in each. He says: ‘From the most accurate observations I could make, in the long time I traded among the Indians of America, I was forced to believe them lineally descended from the tribes of Israel,’” – “History of the American Indians,” London: Edward and Charles Dilly [1775] p. 13.
“A table of words and phrases is furnished by Dr. Boudinot, Adair and others, to show the similarity, in some of the Indian languages, to the Hebrew, and that the former must have been derived from the latter” – Haines, Elijah M., “The American Indian (UH-XISH-IK-XA-BA), The Whole Subject Complete in One Volume,” Chicago: The MAS-SIX-XA’-GAX Company [1888], 98; 100.
You will find a most interesting and familiar phrase to many Latter-day Saints, if you combine the word “to pray” with the word for “God” below.
More information about the Tucson Lead Artifacts
Jewish and Indian Language and comparisons
THE AMERICAN INDIAN (UH-NISH-IK-NA-BA). The Whole Subject Complete in One Volume Illustrated with Numerous Appropriate Engravings. By ELIJAH M. HAINES. CHICAGO: THE MAS-SIN-NA’-GAX COMPANY, 1888.
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https://archive.org/stream/americanindianu01haingoog/americanindianu01haingoog_djvu.txt
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Extra Information Oopeople
Out of Place People
You have learned about Ooparts in these amazing articles above, I will now introduce you to Oopeople briefly. You are sure to love my exploration into much “Out of Place Knowledge” about people and civilizations. It’s time to wake up and fully understand this is not such a complicated world, but it has been hidden from us. Here is a quick tease. I believe in our government of Christopher Miller, General Mike Rogers, Retired General Michael Flynn, and very intelligent people such as Kash Patel, Robert O’Brien, and Enos Cohen Watnick.
Oopeoples is a made-up name by me. (Out of Place People?, Misunderstood Ancestry?, or Out of Place Descendancey, or Wokeism?)
For example. Who are the JEWS? Who are the HEBREWS? Are they the same as the Tribe of Judah? Would they be from Judaea? The Bat Creek Stone found in Tennessee says, “For the Judaeans” in ancient Phoenician script. Are the people of Israel today descendants of the Tribe of Judea or not? Are all Israelites Jews? Are all Jews Israelites. Is there a difference between Jews and Hebrews? Would all people living in Israel have Hebrew blood? Where did the name Hebrew come from?
I will not address fully the above paragraph as I just want you to have something to think about. This blog is about Out of Place Artifacts and not necessarily about civilizations or hereditary. I just want you to think about who are the JEWS and HEBREWS, and you can speak with me personally about it if you choose.
In my opinion we need to look no further than the scriptures to know the Lamanites ARE DESCENDANTS of the Hebrews. It is probably hard for most people reading this blog to understand that many of the intellectuals don’t believe this. The biggest reason for this, is that the Natives of Central/South America are of Asian lineage and they believe the Book of Mormon happened in Mesoamerica. But, shouldn’t the people of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have the blood of Shem, not Japeth (Asian) and be in the lineage of Christ through David who was of the House of Israel? Yes! Think of the word Hebrew when you hear the scriptures say Jews. It will make more sense. I believe the 2022 Election was stolen and we will all hear the truth soon. This is a personal opinion and not one from the Firm Foundation.
“And again, I command thee that thou shalt not covet thine own property, but impart it freely to the printing of the Book of Mormon, which contains the truth and the word of God—Which is my word to the Gentile, that soon it may go to the Jew, of whom the Lamanites are a remnant, that they may believe the gospel, and look not for a Messiah to come who has already come.” D&C 29:26-27
Which is my word to the Gentile, that soon it may go to the Jew, of whom the Lamanites are a remnant, that they may believe the gospel, and look not for a Messiah to come who has already come.” D&C 19:27
“And then shall the remnant of our seed know concerning us, how that we came out from Jerusalem, and that they are descendants of the Jews.” 2 Nephi 30:4
“Hearken, O ye elders of my church, saith the Lord your God, who have assembled yourselves together, according to my commandments, in this land, which is the land of Missouri, which is the land which I have appointed and consecrated for the gathering of the saints. Wherefore, this is the land of promise, and the place for the city of Zion. And thus saith the Lord your God, if you will receive wisdom here is wisdom. Behold, the place which is now called Independence is the center place; and a spot for the temple is lying westward, upon a lot which is not far from the courthouse. Wherefore, it is wisdom that the land should be purchased by the saints, and also every tract lying westward, even unto the line running directly between Jew and Gentile;” D&C 57:1-4
FYI. I don’t believe the word above, “JEW” necessarily is the word you think it may mean. I will discuss that briefly below and then more at a later date.
John 8
The heading in John 8 says, “The true children of Abraham believe in Christ” Read John Chapter 8. This means a true JEW or HEBREW or JUDAEN, or member of the TRIBE of JUDAH would believe in Christ correct?
If the above is true, who is Christ speaking of in John 8:39?
John 8:39 “They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were , ye would do the of Abraham.”
Who is the Lord speaking to here?
Revelation 2:9 “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”
And here?
Revelation 3:9 “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”
